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Sirius Bsns · Sep 26, 2010, 02:47 AM // 02:47

I wonder if whoever banned him [or them] had any bias towards [members of] their guild?

tyrant rex · Sep 26, 2010, 03:01 AM // 03:01

apparently if you break the rules that have been stated 9001 times you get banned what a surprise

Karate Jesus · Sep 26, 2010, 03:09 AM // 03:09

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Originally Posted by Krill

Anet has never squandered an opportunity to lower their pants and take a dump on GvG.

^ this.

Bans during the finals, not even being able to get enough TK'ers together to test the GvG changes, etc.

Just stupid problems.

Essence Snow · Sep 26, 2010, 03:18 AM // 03:18

Anet was 100% correct in their ban...like a resturaunt manager...you have to kick the unruley person out as soon as possible to keep things civil. To give any preference due to position is only to undermind your own rules.

Elnino · Sep 26, 2010, 03:34 AM // 03:34

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Originally Posted by tyrant rex

apparently if you break the rules that have been stated 9001 times you get banned what a surprise

The game was decided as a result of that ban, therefore, it is match manipulation on Anet's part. They broke the EULA

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Originally Posted by sykoone

Who's to say Anet was actually aware the player was in the middle of the final anyway. When support flips the switch to trigger a ban, are they supposed to check what the player is doing first?

They don't technically have to check what you're doing first, but the MaT is a special case since it's something that cannot be repeated and affects more than just the player in question.

Life Bringing · Sep 26, 2010, 03:40 AM // 03:40

It was a ban for offensive language correct? Why was this issue so pressing that it had to happen during the mAT? Sure, if it was botting, ban him on the spot, but srsly? Offensive language to ruin a mAT? That makes no sense whatsoever.

Tbh, bans for racial slurs that don't intentionally go around the chat filter are stupid as well, but thats another argument.

jimbo32 · Sep 26, 2010, 04:09 AM // 04:09

I'm not a PvP'er, but I think this is just stupid on ANet's part. I agree that rules are rules, but whether that dude *deserved* the ban isn't the issue. It should be an ANet policy that bans don't happen during a high-end match (maybe once a mAT gets to top 8 for instance).

reaper with no name · Sep 26, 2010, 04:19 AM // 04:19

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Originally Posted by SpyderArachnid

Everyone on that team was a willing participant to that player. They all agreed upon the same rules as he did, and if they didn't speak up or say anything, then they were condoning what that player was doing as a team.

That is their own fault for letting someone like that on their team. Thus, they have to pay the consequences for allowing that player to break the rules which they all agreed upon. That is completely fair and just.

That's like saying I can break all the rules I want during the game, even if it does give me an advantage over everyone. But you are not allowed to ban me till the game is over cause it is unfair to my team that I can't continue to keep breaking the rules.

You break the rules, you pay the price. Simple as that. There is no "I'm special cause I'm in a tournament so I can do whatever I want and they are not allowed to penalize me till after it is all over".

I find I have to agree with this. If you let someone into your team who is breaking the rules, you have to pay the consequences when they get banned in the middle of the match. That team had no one to blame but themselves.

jazilla · Sep 26, 2010, 04:26 AM // 04:26

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Originally Posted by Polgara Val

In actuality Zidane later stated that he tottaly regreted letting Materazzi get to him and felt a great deal of guilt of letting his team mates down. If the player in the MaT final had any sort of moral compass he would feel the same way. He let his teamates and let himself down, he paid the price and so did his team in the end, I feel sorry for his team more then anything.

Comparing a World Cup final to a MaT final is sort of ludicrous though.

Pol

in context it's not. Lemming was saying that refs let people go etc. i was citing an example that I could think of that applied to what happened here: If you do something to break the rules you, and your team mates pay the price. Does that mean the rule is good? I don't know. It's like when that receiver for Detroit totally made a catch in the end zone two weeks ago but because of a silly rule, it didn't count. You can try to get the rule changed down the road, but the offense was committed under the rule that is applicable now.

side note: the italian that baited Zidane knew exactly the response that his comments would evoke. Zidane stupidly went for the hook and lost the World Cup for his team. You always wait to take personal squabbles out at the pub after the match is over. Zidane got played for a fool, and France paid the price.

Essence Snow · Sep 26, 2010, 04:56 AM // 04:56

Just on a side note ......comparing this to soccer is right on...not many in US care bout soccer and not many in US care bout mat. Kind of fitting if u think about it......lol

Gill Halendt · Sep 26, 2010, 05:25 AM // 05:25

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Originally Posted by sykoone

Who's to say Anet was actually aware the player was in the middle of the final anyway. When support flips the switch to trigger a ban, are they supposed to check what the player is doing first?

This. Bans are mostly automated.

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Originally Posted by reaper with no name

I find I have to agree with this. If you let someone into your team who is breaking the rules, you have to pay the consequences when they get banned in the middle of the match. That team had no one to blame but themselves.

This.

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Originally Posted by SpyderArachnid

You break the rules, you pay the price. Simple as that. There is no "I'm special cause I'm in a tournament so I can do whatever I want and they are not allowed to penalize me till after it is all over".

And this.

Also, I believe it's not over. Likely this incident will have consequences in tournament results somehow. Wait for some official word from Anet, then judge.

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Originally Posted by lemming

It's as if the severity of the offense doesn't matter at all. You conveniently forgot to note that Zidane was provoked into headbutting Materazzi when the latter insulted the former's sister - which is very close to the offense that happened today.

It was never confirmed and, anyway, falling for provocation is even more immature than insults.

jonnieboi05 · Sep 26, 2010, 05:36 AM // 05:36

aNet was 100% correct to dish out this suspension/ban.

Why in the hell should aNet WASTE their resources and check through one particular person's history and see if they are a GvG'er and play in aT's and mAT's? Really? Come on, that's just RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing stupid and quite idiotic.

It is not only the player's fault for getting booted out during the finals, but it also the guild's idiotic judgement to let a trash talker talk his shit during/before a mAT. It was their decision to them continue playing on their team, they chose the roster, it is their responsibility to make sure that all goes well.

I seriously don't understand how people are defending the player and saying "oh he should have been dealt with after the mAT". Uhh... Are you people RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing stupid? I'm sorry, but there's nothing more I hate than ignorance.

Thank you aNet for dealing with this on YOUR time on YOUR game and dealing with it as YOU see fit. You did the right thing, aNet, no one is above the law of your game and people need to start realizing that like I did a long, long time ago when I received my perma ban for continuous shit talking.

The rules are there for a reason. Either follow them or get RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOed. It's that simple and isn't hard to understand.

Justified ban is justified.

stanzhao · Sep 26, 2010, 05:54 AM // 05:54

i dont understand why people are angry about this? surely some common sense needs to be employed?

the guy got banned during a mat. so what? it hinders the team. its not fair on the team but they knew the guy, you take on the person knowing what they are like.

if anet was to change their mind a put the person back into the mat, where do you draw the line on these things? If this was a for a cash prize then it is different.

but if this guy gets to go back, why not pvers who are doing a dungeon, monk gets banned at the final boss. they all die, do they now have the right to say they demand compensation because of the one person?

where do you stop bending the rules for different situations? anet needs to keep the rules the same for everyone, regardless of who you are or what your doing. otherwise everyone can start to make comparisons to what theyre doing, and the system becomes corrupt.

Lord Dagon · Sep 26, 2010, 06:38 AM // 06:38

But, it altered the way a PvP torunament happened. Thats if lets say it somehow got to be whittled down to a 1v1 match in the final GvG round. lets say its been going for 20mins and neither of them are making progress. Then, suddenly, dhuum comes up and bans one of the people in the 1v1 fight and the other team wins. I mean cmon, they manipulated(intentionally or not and i get deleted by saying intentional so ill leave that part open) the match and gave the other team a victory. I'm sorry but they need to pay attention to the High end PvP. You jsut really cant win a 7v8 fight. I mean what if the person had been a monk? It would've been instant death. so yes, i'm gonan go ahead and say that they didnt need to ban the dude right away, especially for an innapropriate language ban. Those things are a slap on the wrist and you go to sleep and get to play again.

So yea i thought in this case it would be warrented for anet to freaking pay attention to who they're banning.

Makkert · Sep 26, 2010, 06:58 AM // 06:58

the joke is quite simple, as always.

I love how people pull in soccer to make a comparison that is pretty much flawed.
The flaw lies in the fact that being given a red card in soccer means the player in question has been fouling DURING playtime, influencing the match in his team's favor in a way that was unbecoming.

The player in question most likely committed his 'foul' before the match, since during a match, there is little time for foul language/botting/etc. ANet just has a delay to process it. Should there be no delay, then the player would have been banned BEFORE the match, meaning the guild could have substituted him. This would have been the correct way. The alternative way would have been to wait after the game.

I'm not defending the player here. I'm just saying the match was not negatively impacted by him, ergo his team should not have been penalised in this way without chance of subsituting him.

~ Makk.

Missing HB · Sep 26, 2010, 07:04 AM // 07:04

I don't get the point of all this discussion because of 1 dhuum in mat finals. Actually , the problem is the reason why the finals isn't showing on B ( you cannot tell me it's because of that ban , cannot be serious... ) .. As far as i can remember , the only Hero Battle mat where people didn't even play did appear on observer....

And anyway , what if one guy just gets err7 5 sec before entering in? That's even worse then getting banned in middle of fight , since by being 7/8 4-5 sec before you basically have no time to react to add a hench in order to be able to go in ....

StormDragonZ · Sep 26, 2010, 07:10 AM // 07:10

This should simply teach a lesson. Don't GO RED ENGINEing say stuff like that in a mAT!

I am 100% for the ban during the match.

Makkert · Sep 26, 2010, 07:16 AM // 07:16

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Originally Posted by Missing HB

I don't get the point of all this discussion because of 1 dhuum in mat finals. Actually , the problem is the reason why the finals isn't showing on B ( you cannot tell me it's because of that ban , cannot be serious... ) .. As far as i can remember , the only Hero Battle mat where people didn't even play did appear on observer....

There is no reason not to display it. It should be up there, and be a subject of an open discussion regarding this event. The only reason I could think of is privacy reasons towards the banned player. Which is a joke, since it is up on youtube. It would be a sign of weakness from ANet IF this is the reason. But I don't know, it is all speculation.

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Originally Posted by Missing HB

And anyway , what if one guy just gets err7 5 sec before entering in? That's even worse then getting banned in middle of fight , since by being 7/8 4-5 sec before you basically have no time to react to add a hench in order to be able to go in ....

There is a difference between an unfortunate event, and an event that is initiated and thus can be controlled.

Apok · Sep 26, 2010, 07:52 AM // 07:52

I'm going to pull an observation from the lovely QQ forums: This is the perfect example of rulebreaking and its effect on a competitive player.

They could not have chosen a better time to do this. A player who did something to get himself banned during an important match and its effect on his team. This sends a message that I hope every PvPer- hell, every player- recieves: there is no such thing as a worst-case scenario. This applies to everything. He knew what he did, and got a very humiliating ban because of it.

And most of the PvPers here sicken me with their trigger-happy "herpa-derp, Anet screwed up again" logic. In real life sports, referees don't give a shit about how important the game is; they do their job and follow up on anyone breaking a rule. The police or any other authority figure pick up the slack on and off the court as well. They don't see a player shoot a guy and just say "well, he has an important game to get to, better throw him in jail after his celebration party."

Anet responded justly to this case.

Deal with it.

_June · Sep 26, 2010, 08:59 AM // 08:59

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Originally Posted by Apok

I'm going to pull an observation from the lovely QQ forums: This is the perfect example of rulebreaking and its effect on a competitive player.

They could not have chosen a better time to do this. A player who did something to get himself banned during an important match and its effect on his team. This sends a message that I hope every PvPer- hell, every player- recieves: there is no such thing as a worst-case scenario. This applies to everything. He knew what he did, and got a very humiliating ban because of it.

And most of the PvPers here sicken me with their trigger-happy "herpa-derp, Anet screwed up again" logic. In real life sports, referees don't give a shit about how important the game is; they do their job and follow up on anyone breaking a rule. The police or any other authority figure pick up the slack on and off the court as well. They don't see a player shoot a guy and just say "well, he has an important game to get to, better throw him in jail after his celebration party."

Anet responded justly to this case.

Deal with it.

Agree 100%

He knew what he was doing and could have chosen to keep his mouth shut. Rules are rules and he broke them. The AT is just a game, and Anet doesn't care about it, it's not more important than enforcing their rules and nobody should be immune to it. Nobody should be immune to punishment for their actions at any point in time, as that would just serve to undermine Anet's authority.

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